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You get the picture. Share this:. Bookmark the permalink. Geoffrey March 27, at am Reply. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Search Search for:. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Yes it is. That's why it can be hard to spot and should be treasured when found. It is also why noir is resistant to firm definition. But again, we're really just talking taxonomy because noir does exist even if not as much as some would claim, particularly as folks have begun to self-identify their work as noir when it is really hardboiled whether people want to acknowledge it or not.
In some respects it's like gay marriage. You can deny that it exists and fight that it shouldn't but those two dudes still love each other.
You undermine your argument when you, mockingly, say "and the aficionodos can debate about whether it's true noir or not. Speaking of that paragraph. If that really is your definition of noir then you are just as bad as the wet-asses with the narrow scope definition. Oh you found it, the weakness of the fiction that some of us like. You got us. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of that pithy comment about noir being French for blac Lots of times and its always been a stupid argument that wants to be a gotcha moment but isn't. I think I'll just let someone who is a whole hell of a lot smarter then me have the final say.
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I mean, I can at least understand bizarro or horror or fantasy or sf not being to some people's tastes, and them working up some elaborate wall of rationalization to keep their shelfspace and heads 'safe. I say if you don't dig noir, then maybe you don't dig fiction. You should read more and form opinions after. Going less hard genre, Chris Offutt - Kentucky Straight: Stories is more along the lines of "Grit Lit" but still has that harrowing viscera of writers such as this list, if you like Tom Franklin or Larry Brown I'd say check it.
Though maybe barely tangentially Noir or Transgressive, Harry Crews wrote more gritty and horrific stuff than I can think from any of these. Feast of Snakes could maybe pass for a Jim Thompson style Noir if Thompson were raised by feral hogs. Daniel Woodrell's huge right now, Don Pollock's killing it and getting recognition for his brilliance, Frank Bill is putting out some of the toughest stories out there.
I'm interested to see where this genre is going. Keith - Great article. Added a whole bunch to my Amazon wishlist.wiki.archidelivery.ru/wp-includes/2523.php
The Best American Noir of the Century by James Ellroy
It's a fantastic short story, and was a great introduction for me into this genre or sub-genre, or "style" if we have to nix all the cool-sounding words from our lexicon, I mean, vocabulary. Thanks for this, lots of exciting-sounding works to catch up on, these kind of lists are really useful. I second Mr Bird's interest in rural noir from other countries and I'm keeping an eye out for more in this genre yes, genre from female authors.
I don't understand the underlying animosity toward Faulkner, blinden, Sanctuary is pretty much the grandaddy of all we're talking about here. Great list again Keith. Look here. I'm already behind in my personal reading list. You're really tasking me I've always grouped the "noirs" and "Southern Gothic" in the catagory "American Grotesque". I grew up like Jack in a very poor rural area and I love this stuff too There was nothing underlying about it.
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I said it and was was done. Carroll John Daly is credited with creating the hardboiled style of writing including the genre but it's terrible fiction. Boone - I grew up in a similar area, so I think that's why I gravitate towards it as well. As far as razorsharp's response, the whole genre v. I'm with you Boone.
The southern gothic writers have been a huge influence on me. It was really the first stuff I had read that I could relate to the location. It seems like most books take place in a city somewhere, and I had never lived in a town of more than people.
I am all for the term American Grotesque. I've been referring to it as Rural Gothic since I started writing similar stuff several years ago. Honestly, I had never heard of Rural Noir. Personally, I love Faulkner, O'Connor, and the like. It's not everyone's taste, but nothing is. Yep, loads to catch up on - ta. I'm pretty sure this genre would translate well to outback Australia movies like Snowtown have already explored this , but less people there and significantly less cultural diversity.
Or do you think of it as strictly a western? Anyway I think the "Rural" is a good tag because most everybody doing good Southern Gothic style nowadays aren't even from the South. Gorilla Girl is the story that really got me so far. Skip to Main Content Area. Hello, if this is your first time here, login with Facebook or create a free account to get started. Otherwise, Click here to log in. Follow litreactor. Follow keithr You Might Also Like What Scares You?
Literature's Ten Most Disturbing Sociopaths. More By This Author. Bookshots: 'Tacky Goblin' By T. Sean Steele. Good stuff. Loads of writers there for me to catch up on. Login or register to post comments. Charles Dodd White June 6, - pm. Father and Son is a great novel. Dirty Work is a hell of a book as well. Jack Campbell Jr. Awesome stuff. I grew up in the second-poorest county in Iowa.
I love this stuff. Nice article. June 6, - pm. Still, with Bill it always comes back to violence. His gift for inventive depravity—the debt collector uses fishing hooks in an acupuncture torture session—is undeniable. Even the minor bits of action get tender loving care. This might sound very Hollywood but the gore feels more like a video game.
He traces the bullet dismembering the body—the moment when, in a game, the pixels rip, explode, or mist.
Red parted white. Flat lost his shape, fell to the earth. Donnybrook has not so much a plot as loose scenes of capering after the meth. At one point, the deputy sheriff discovers a husband and wife cooking inside their fumy trailer. The woman wears a rayon nightgown, the man a filthy too-small T-shirt. This is a bleak, bleak book.
Both men have spent most of their lives in the places they write about—including decades working there like anyone else. At 45, Pollock had stumbled through a midlife crisis and decided to try fiction. Still, I think Pollock and Bill share the goal of telling a less romantic story about their region. In a book like Fight Club , people beat each other up so that Chuck Palahniuk can talk masculinity and consumerism.
What happens when human beings are turned loose in an overwhelming new environment like the modern city? The answer tended to be grim. No one else. I cooked it. I earned it.
You earn or, in what amounts to the same thing, take whatever you can. What happens, in a few cases at least, is a man like Chainsaw Angus. D onnybrook is less polished and less satisfying than Crimes in Southern Indiana. Bill seems to care more about saying something cold-blooded or Raymond Carver—cool than about providing clear descriptions. While Crimes in Southern Indiana features several female characters, in Donnybrook the women get only minor roles, except for Liz, whose defining trait is looking good in a concert T-shirt. Reading them, one rarely knows why anyone does anything.
Pollock himself resorts to the hard sell.